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Hi Frederica, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed your articles. What a lovely family you have — by God’s grace, I pray that one day I may also have a family dedicated to serving God and His Church.

This may be contrarian, but something I’ve been contemplating recently (and would appreciate your thoughts on) is the extent to which Orthodox theology does see atonement as substitutionary as well. I actually saw a video recently on YouTube of a former Orthodox priest who converted to Lutheranism after reading the fathers and concluding that they did actually believe in a form of substitutionary atonement. I frankly thought it was silly; he acted like he was uncovering some conspiracy, but obviously Orthodox soteriology, while it rejects the legalistic heritage of Anselm, does not reject that we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son. And it doesn’t reject that “having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him” (Romans 5:9).

For context, I’m a newly baptized Orthodox Christian! I spent most of my life as an atheist, then my early 20s as a Protestant, and only recently I have been baptized as an Orthodox Christian this past Pascha, the pinnacle and fulfillment of my pursuit of truth. And yet I continue on seeking, so I’d appreciate if you could offer more insight on the nuances here.

While I’ve been thinking about the Orthodox view on the atonement, I’ve also been revisiting St. Athanasius’ On The Incarnation. In its light I was thinking about your analogy of the manager of the restaurant, and I find myself disagreeing (or at least, preferring to see things from a different lens). My thinking is that it is only because the manager can bear the consequences of not being paid that the situation becomes “satisfied.” Of course it’s just an analogy and He who is eternal Life and perfect Light canbear forgiving any debt, unlike human managers.

Even so, I sense it’s still important to recognize that there is a redemption of a real consequence in forgiveness, an untangling of sin. My reason for this is something I’ve taken from my interpretation of St. Athanasius; notably, that the consequences of sin are due to our twisting of God’s orderly creation, and for God to magically untwist this order would be wrong, as it would betray the goodness of creation.

This idea is best encompassed to me by St. Athanasius’ summary of the gospel in On the Incarnation here:

The human race was in process of destruction. Man, who was created in God's image and in his possession of reason reflected the very Word Himself, was disappearing, and the work of God was being undone. The law of death, which followed from the Transgression, prevailed upon us, and from it there was no escape. The thing that was happening was in truth both monstrous and unfitting. It would, of course, have been unthinkable that God should go back upon His word and that man, having transgressed, should not die; but it was equally monstrous that beings which once had shared the nature of the Word should perish and turn back again into non-existence through corruption.

This aspect of Athanasius’ teaching I highlighted in bold I find interesting. To me it must be saying that God’s rule which He established, and the natural consequences of the original Transgression are good, or more precisely that it would be unjust for God to resolve those consequences through a simple act of immediate forgiveness.

… of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

Instead, it seems, it was good to God to maintain the order he set from the beginning, where man was destined for death if he transgressed. Then we needed the active operations of God in the incarnation to do healing works of condescension and sacrifice which lead to something quite like satisfaction of the wrath of God. The wrath of God being the fulfillment of that original consequence: “you shall surely die."

As an aside, why when reading the fathers do they always say “of course,” or “obviously,” to the things I find so extremely non-obvious and yet so important!

St. Athanasius goes on:

He could not falsify Himself; what, then, was God to do? Was He to demand repentance from men for their transgression? You might say that that was worthy of God, and argue further that, as through the Transgression they became subject to corruption, so through repentance they might return to incorruption again. But repentance would not guard the Divine consistency, for, if death did not hold dominion over men, God would still remain untrue. Nor does repentance recall men from what is according to their nature; all that it does is to make them cease from sinning. Had it been a case of a trespass only, and not of a subsequent corruption, repentance would have been well enough; but when once transgression had begun men came under the power of the corruption proper to their nature and were bereft of the grace which belonged to them as creatures in the Image of God. No, repentance could not meet the case. What—or rather Who was it that was needed for such grace and such recall as we required? Who, save the Word of God Himself, Who also in the beginning had made all things out of nothing? His part it was, and His alone, both to bring again the corruptible to incorruption and to maintain for the Father His consistency of character with all. For He alone, being Word of the Father and above all, was in consequence both able to recreate all, and worthy to suffer on behalf of all and to be an ambassador for all with the Father.

This all seems to make the matter delicate. It is true that God freely forgives us. But at the same time, he does so in a way that respects the order of His creation, and so He does not “falsify Himself” but satisfies His wrath through giving His his one and only Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This starts to sound so very Anselm and Protestant. But I think it’s Orthodox.

To be sure the Father and the Son are one in this mission. The wrath of God being satisfied by the blood of His Son is true, but it’s not that without Jesus, God would look at us with rage and not love.

In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1 John 4:10

God always saw that the human race was in the process of destruction due to a loss of communion initiated by the original Transgression, and He was always seeking to reveal Himself to us, to forgive our trespasses, and He patiently waited for us to respond to His invitations:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Matthew 23:37

And then one day a holy, spotless, stainless virgin said “Let it be to me according to your word!” Thank God for our most pure and holy Theotokos.

What interests me about this way to describe the gospel is that there are ways we can highlight areas of agreement with Anselm, while keeping true to Orthodox theology. I admit some of what drives me here may be an ecumenical impulse; that Orthodox priest may not have left the true faith if he recognized that this isn’t so black and white. And I also do want to reconcile Western ideas the best we can, even my own history of converting first to Protestantism, without compromising on the truth of Orthodoxy.

If you believe me to be led astray in any of these things, please let me know. I’m still new to the Church and am always seeking a better understanding of the truth.

Love in Christ,

Jamie

Quotes are from On the Incarnation, Chapter 2: https://www.ccel.org/ccel/athanasius/incarnation.iii.html

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Aaron's avatar

Unconditional love consumes any notion of forgiveness. God’s forgiveness is His unconditional love. To him who truly loves, he knows no concept of forgiveness - only love.

Once this is seen, it can also be understood from the same story of the Prodigal Son that union with the Father is an inherent given - communion, on the other hand, is the Prodigal Son’s free choice. Theosis is the process of actualizing man’s inherent union and potential for divinity and the very purpose of one’s life.

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